Derailled

New Zealand Cycling Community
It is currently Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:52 pm

All times are UTC + 12 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
My project is the new XC trail at Makara Peak...
otherwise curently known as the North face.

Intermediate trail, not more than 10% grade..plenty of wiggles, rollers etc to keep the track as involving and as much fun as possible, and to drain properly.

It will be almost 3km long when it is finished one day. :roll:

Be happy to talk about the hows and whys, approvals etc and just general track building stuff :love:

Here is a map, the new trail is in red...


Attachments:
File comment: We have been working on this for about 10 months so far

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:47 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:21 am
Location: Christchurch
Sweeet, looking forward to checking out all the hard work up there one day!! :smokin:

_________________
"Let's have a moment of silence for all those Americans who are stuck in traffic on their way to the gym to ride the stationary bicycle."
-- U.S. Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
1700m will be cleared and ridable in a month..although not fully finished and polished to perfection. Right now about 500m is hiking only, as we have not done the bit in the middle.

Then we get to set all the cambers, do the drainage, and make it lovely- especially the 12 switchbacks in this middle section.

Then one day add three more sections of about 350m, 250m and 550m (then another 150m) :shock:

I would be very interested in a fresh perspective on it :)


Last edited by robthetrackie on Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:30 pm
Location: "Super" City
Trail builders have my greatest respect.

Is there a Google Earth layer available for the Makara tracks? Looks like you have one in your picture above.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
Hey there Brentd :D

I am just back from the Tuesday evening session where we had 16 people, great work was done and some potentially wikkid bits planned for next time, so I am excited !

There are individual files for each track on www.tracks.org.nz , (just below the bottom of each map of each track page), or I can email you my big phat file that incudes a massive amount of data?

Cheers :ride:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
Yesterday we built another 100m of trail through very thick gorse and barberry.
they are THE ENEMY.

Anyhow I often have a tough time persuading people to put bends, wiggles and rolly bits where there we could otherwise be building a flat, straight trail.

There was no need to put two corners in at all, traversing a small 50m wide valley, but we did just for the fun of riding !

It is getting there :thumbs:


Attachments:
File comment: Into switchback number 4...

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:33 pm
Location: Land of dust and bitey things
Awesome. Staggered to find that you have trouble with getting folk to agree to putting wiggly bits in! Can't wait until I move back to Wellers and get stuck into some more building.

_________________
Boo!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:07 pm
Same problem in Canterbury. Wiggly bits, and corners in general, seem to be a problem. They are either built as a series of silly bermed hairpins with zero flow, or they are absent alltogether. Bring back the FLOW!

_________________
Get a Perm...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
I am plotting a trail that will not be piloted for a while.. the dotted lines will be where we need to check the gradients, and the white bits are my guess.

I would like the middle part of the track to have a nice long run between switchbacks :ride:


Attachments:
File comment: Hmm.
And we might have a name for the mustard coloured one as well..

ptc j.JPG
ptc j.JPG [ 52.92 KiB | Viewed 417 times ]
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
Well time has ticked and we have built lots more.

If you are interested in the progress, please have a look here:

http://makarapeak.org/northface

The main trail (1620m) is done and the top half perfected pretty much.
The lowest trail (Smokin) is done and is huge fun, but we need to make the last 20m neater.
We are scouting the JFK section, which will be started when daylight savings arrives


:D


Last edited by robthetrackie on Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:21 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:11 pm
Fungus the Bogeyman wrote:
Same problem in Canterbury. Wiggly bits, and corners in general, seem to be a problem. They are either built as a series of silly bermed hairpins with zero flow, or they are absent alltogether. Bring back the FLOW!


Part of that is the terrain we have to work with here in chch. When the slopes are super steep it has to be a bermed hairpin or you end up having to take the track down the fall line for too long, which then makes the track unsustainable. Then you get our trails confined to silly little places like Vic park, and you cannot take the track out far along a contour because you run out of space too quickly... so you end up switchbacking down the hill. The Greenwood track is the closest thing we have to "flow" on the hill... but I think that could have been better built if the designers had gone for a wander with a clinometer as well...

I have been wanting to build a similar sort of trail to what Rob has just built in Chch for a number of years now. Gradient of less than 10% and plenty of flow. There is ample room to build it on the slope between the top of Huntsbury and Bowenvale valley. Would just need permission from the council... :roll:

Have been up with a clinometer etc and you could get some lovely wiggly flow lines down the hillside, and make proper use of the elevation instead of wasting it by dropping straight down the hill.

_________________
My blog http://mountainbikingzane.wordpress.com/
Get some skills http://www.mtbskillsclinics.co.nz/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
You might find that 10% is steeper than you need?
We have been lucky in making the trail very (very very) busy that this gradient should be sustainable all year around. I hope!
Making it 7.5% will make it a third longer, and so on :-)

North Face was set at 10% as it was the smallest incline we could get agreement on. I think less would have been fine, say 7.5% but then we may have had even more trouble finding the ground between the rock faces and the occasional cliffs !

By the way we think over 100 people have helped out so far, the main 1620m North Face trail was built to ridable standanrd in just 14 weeks- absolutely amazing!

:thumbs:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:11 pm
yeh, 4% to 6% is prob what i would aim for... But there will be parts with space constraints that will mean steeper gradients are needed in places.

Over 100 people is great Rob. Well done on the getting that many volunteers along!! Many hands make light work (as long as you can get them building how you want the track built!! :D ).

_________________
My blog http://mountainbikingzane.wordpress.com/
Get some skills http://www.mtbskillsclinics.co.nz/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
Well here we are in July 2010, and much of the North Face project is done. We need to clear and bench 860m (which has been piloted only), which will then create 4 trails, which end to end will total about 3050m :thumbs:

This should all be done and dusted before the end of this year.

And, it looks like this:

Attachment:



3050m, 22 switchbacks, 2 big corners, massive fun :love:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:15 am
Location: Sunny Orewa
If you have arcGIS software you can probably get LiDAR data for $100 and then you wouldn't need to get out and measure anything!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: a new XC trail
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 am
Hi
well sort of.
Wellington City Council has just released 1m grid intervals.. but they are not anything like accurate enough to plot a trail.

The good old GPS is king! :metal:


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC + 12 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group